The Students' Movement to Remove PDEng

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We, the undersigned students of the Engineering faculty at the University of Waterloo, would like to petition the Director of Professional Development for Engineering Students (PDEng), Carolyn MacGregor, and the Assistant Director of PDEng, Jeremy Steffler, to consider cancelling this mandatory, distance education course.

For the following reasons, we do not believe that this course has affected our workterm placements, university education, and overall preparation for the real-world workforce in a positive manner:

  1. Students are pressured to write what markers want to see instead of thinking for themselves
    When completing opinion-based assignments, students are presented with two options. The first is to write what the markers want to read, which takes less time, and the second is to write what they actually think, which usually takes more time. Students typically take the shorter route because it not only guarantees them a pass, but also takes less time. Students that actually write what they think is right are penalized, told they are wrong, and then have to redo the assignment and a make-up. Because of this, students are discouraged from voicing their actual opinions.

  2. Unneeded stress at the end of the workday
    When one returns from a typical eight or more hour workday, no one wants to participate in a mandatory school course. This is the case with PDEng. Students must go from physically learning how to fit in into the workplace and then return home to learn theoretically how to do the same.

  3. Infringement on what is supposed to be our time away from school
    The University of Waterloos Engineering programs have not garnered the distinction of being one of the most rigorous and tough programs in all of Canada without hard work. Through the four months of school (eight for 8-stream students), students work diligently to learn the university way of life while still succeeding academically. With a co-op program, students do not have more than two consecutive weeks off for personal vacation; many with less. With the addition of PDEng during workterms, there is less time to wind down and not think about school.

  4. Assignments that do little to develop professionalism
    Many assignments asked students to discover personal information that they would have already done in high school and self-discovery courses and programs. These assignments included "Developing your inner animal", "What type of team player are you?", "My conflict style", and having to critically reflect upon how these activities make us more valuable at the workplace. By the university level, students will already know their personal strategies for dealing with a variety of situations. Also, being able to reflect upon their abilities will not benefit them when they are required to use it in the workplace.

  5. Critical reflections that want us to explain how we feel towards a subject instead of doing it
    This returns to the statement of actually learning how to do a task versus learning the theory behind such practises. Many times the critical reflections ask for feelings and thoughts about situations that students really do not care about. In turn, they fabricate answers that markers want to hear in order to get a pass. This does not add anything to the education of co-op engineers.

  6. Blog entries play off stereotypes and reflecting upon them teaches nothing
    The blog entries are based upon real co-op experiences and using the tone of real co-op students. They still use stereotypes that some students may find offensive. There is a "geeky" blog that students are opposed to because they feel it incorrectly represents the demographic make-up of PDEng students and their interests. Also, asking for reflections for the fictional characters' mistakes will not benefit students. Many times students know that the situation is wrong and are unable to extract several topics of discussion out of a seemingly obvious blunder by the fictional characters.

  7. Graduates of the Engineering faculty have gone on to positively impact the workforce without the support of PDEng
    The professionalism of these graduates has never come into question for almost 50 years. The over 1,200 Engineering students feel that professionalism cannot be taught and can only be learned through participation in the real-world workforce. The sole reason of co-op is to apply the theory learned in the classroom. By offering five straight years of non-stop theory, PDEng will undermine the workplace professionalism that the co-op program originally intended for students to learn.

  8. Assignments are graded with respect to "student competency" requiring a mark of 75\% or higher to pass
    When the university deems a passed term to be one of 60\% or higher and a passed course to be of 50\% or higher, they contradict themselves by saying that students with these marks are not competent in their courses. Students that get between 50\% - 75\% on an assignment or module in PDEng are not competent and are failed. They are given the opportunity to make-up the assignments, but if still below 75\%, they fail. The programs justification is that they do not know enough to pass. This goes against the aforementioned marking policy for the rest of the universitys courses.

    Also, passing a module is based upon a checklist of assignments. If you get below 75\% on one of them, you fail the entire module, instead of having an average mark assigned for each module to determine passing or failing.

  9. 9. PDEng will deter candidates from attending the University of Waterloo
    Many students have expressed their utter disgust with the information that is supposed to be learned from PDEng. Many have said that they would not have chosen the University of Waterloos Engineering program if they had known about PDEng. PDEngs stance is that students should have known if they read their acceptance letters fully, but many times students do not read past the line "The University of Waterloo is glad to accept..."

    For these reasons and more, we respectfully request that the program be cancelled and removed from our graduation requirements.

1394 Signatures

  • Richard Shih
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    • 20178222
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  • Fady Samuel
    • UW ID (last 2 digits)
    • 20163681
  • Jordan O'Brien
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    • 20165365
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    • Waste of the little time I have.... plus it's just not worth it
  • David Crooks
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    • 20163027
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    • I think PDEng, with the right content could be invaluable, but as it is so much of it is based on common sense and skills I've already learned that the program is, for the most part, useless.
  • Richard Shih
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    • 22
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    • Please use last 2 digits of student ID for security purposes.
  • Saad Mazahir
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    • 20167190
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    • В
  • Richard Chen
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    • 20175111
  • Christopher Hein
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    • 20180748
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    • Respectfully agree
  • Jonathan KW Lo
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    • 20178247
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    • Pdeng is a waste of time and resources
  • Steven Bei
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    • 20161196
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    • В
  • Andrew Chin
    • UW ID (last 2 digits)
    • 20164887
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    • Did all of PDEng during work , so much for impressing the boss . Thnx alot waterloo, maybe i should have gone to U of T
  • Maxim Reznitskii
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    • 20183456
  • Matt Wagantall
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    • 68
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    • В
  • Wai Lun Poon
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    • 20176857
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    • PDENG SUCKS
  • Ho-Young Jung
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    • 20167242
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    • Please get rid of PDEng
  • Andrew Radcliffe
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    • 20169454
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    • pdeng can lick my hairy gooch
  • Michael Kim
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    • 20164247
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    • PD ENG SUCKS.. PLEASE GET RID OF IT
  • Jason Chung
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    • 20172090
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    • Signing this petition is my comment
  • Darin Tay
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    • 20163609
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    • В
  • Tomasz Ciochon
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    • 20173984
  • Mandeep Brar
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    • 20173604
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    • I HATE PDENG!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Nicholas Ignagni
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    • 20171143
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    • If cancelling is not a viable option..a significant reconstruction of policies is a definite.
  • Shivram Narayan
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  • Ka Yue Cheung
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    • 39
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  • Mark Cheung
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    • 20166422
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    • Thank you for this movement. I am considering transferring to another degree, and even another University, partly because of PDEng. At this point I may not stay in engineering for another term, but if I can help remove PDEng for future engineers, all the better.
  • Andrew
    • UW ID (last 2 digits)
    • 41
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    • PDEng doens't really TEACH anything..
  • Andrew MacLean
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    • 34
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    • I didn't learn anything and it doesn't teach about Professionalism
  • Nicholas Danukarjanto
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    • 20163137
  • Joe
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    • 23
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    • All the PDEng staff are total n00bs...they mark like they're all pro and stuff right, but they'r ass-cowards cus dey can hide behind the fact that it's and online course...noobs
  • Su-Lin
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    • 12
  • Jade Attwood
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    • 54
  • Alana Yeung
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    • 20175126
  • Chris Erbach
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    • 48
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    • Administration is treating us like children and ignoring our opinions remember students are adults...
  • Sang hwa Lee
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    • В
  • Johnson Tse
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  • ChulMin Park
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    • 20165221
  • Scott Kuo
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    • 65
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    • I think that the PDEng team behaved unprofessionally for the duration of PDEng 15 including inappropriately removing forum topics, revoking decisions without notification to the student, inappropriate usage of UWAce courseware, and also at times, making course content inaccessible or difficult to access due to undertrained/untrained staff modifying content. Lastly, creating a course on-the-fly is completely unprofessional. This was definitely a desperate move to gain back the broken reputation from several major employers who has clearly stated that they do not and will not hire a University of Waterloo student due to lack of professionalism at a workplace. Reading a book won't teach you how to swim; please let the students learn on their own.
  • Tyson Noce
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    • 20167023
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    • Professionalism cannot be taught over the internet.
  • Jonathan Petsch
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    • 20173377
  • Patrick Bunker
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    • 20174067
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    • I cannot believe someone has managed to put my frustrations into words. I have nothing else to add.
  • Meera
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    • 41
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    • В
  • Dan Legg
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    • 20169608
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    • At least change the marking scheme or hold the course every other term.
  • David MacNeil
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    • 98
  • Serge Yoffe
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    • 20166694
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    • Didn't hesitate to sign this after reading the truly fine statements made by the author of the site.
  • Swetha
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    • 20164947
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    • I think PDEng was implemented with a good intention, but they failed to use the right method of getting the information across to students.
  • Brent Forrest
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    • 24
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    • PDEng is just too much on top of a job during the terms that we are "off" of school.
  • Anson Chung
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    • 20168832
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    • В
  • Tasnim Rezwan
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    • 43
    • Comments
    • PDEng is waste of time....
  • Charlie Renner
    • UW ID (last 2 digits)
    • 20176916
    • Comments
    • Its hard for students who didn't find a job or found employment late to complete many of the assignments. Hard to know when anything is due and when new assignments are assigned
  • Jaclyn Sharpe
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    • 20175220
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    • В