Save The Jumping Turtle!

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Dear Staffers at the City of San Marcos,

It has come to our attention that your current actions have resulted in what appears to be the destruction of our beloved music venue, the Jumping Turtle.

Due to recent events, you feel it necessary to severely restrict the Jumping Turtle's entertainment permit, no longer allowing fans of all ages to be in attendance at live performances. You also seem to feel the need to severely limit the number of live performances to only a few select nights a week, as well as to no longer allow the Jumping Turtle to use the services of promoters, or to charge an admission fee at any time, which includes advance ticket sales.

Because of you recent restrictions, you have caused an enormous damper in business, as well as taken away the one place many people from not only all over the county, but all over the country and world as well, call home. You have taken away our music venue; the one place we can go for live performances by our favorite musical groups, 7 nights a week. Our home where fans of all-ages can kick back with friends, co-workers, family, etc. with a delicious pizza and for those of us over 21, a nice cold beer, while enjoying our favorite music.

Over the years, the Jumping Turtle has been the birth place of many friendships, relationships, fan encounters, musical beginnings, and life changing experiences for thousands of people, all over the world. Whether we flew in from Germany to see Doro, or just drove across town for Scar'd Sanity or Etched In Red, the Jumping Turtle is where we all gather to celebrate our love of music, and create friendships and memories that will last a lifetime. It's where we go to buy all those CDs that you hear blasting from our cars and/or Ipods as we travel through town. It's where we go to be with friends, to celebrate our birthdays, good grades, graduations, promotions at work, or anything else that we feel like celebrating. The Jumping Turtle is the one place we all go, where we all feel at home, where we can kick back and enjoy ourselves instead of worrying that there is going to be some kind of gang fight, our car is going to get stolen or vandalized, or that some afghan bomb is going to drop out of the sky and kill all of us. The Jumping Turtle is our shelter. It's where many people evacuated to during Firestorm 2007. It's where we come together not as individuals, but as a community of music lovers. It's where we go for a great meal, and a fantastic show. It's like Cheers, where everybody knows your name.

Putting such severe restrictions on the Jumping Turtle and taking away their all-ages status severely hurts the entire community. The Paul Green School Of Rock Music (PGSORM) in Vista uses the Jumping Turtle as their home for live performances. The students at PGSORM range in age from elementary to high school. Its the one place they can go to show off their talents to not only their parents, but to their friends, neighbors, teachers, schoolmates, etc. Its where they go to show that they're not just little kids, but true musicians, with just as much passion and talent as the Beach Boys or Metallica. It's where the parents of the PGSORM kids can go to kick back after a stressful work week, with a delicious pizza and a nice cold beer, while they blissfully watch their children morph from ordinary kids into rockstars. The Jumping Turtle is where passion and talent reside, and showcase themselves every single night.

In a recent letter to the PGSORM parents, by General Manager Ron Weaver, Ron writes:

"Im going to tell you something about the Jumping Turtle and now Im serious. Ive gotten to know Joe Troutman and his crew over there and you know what? Regardless of what you think of the theme for the venue (Heavy Metal/Punk music), they run a clean shop. Their security staff are tops and they dont allow any nonsense in their establishment. Theres no under-age drinking or anything of the sort tolerated in that place. No citations either! Clean show and no reasons to shut them down except that someone doesnt like what they do.

Its my opinion that the kids that go to that venue and go crazy in the mosh pit may very well be out getting into trouble if they didnt have the Jumping Turtle. Have you ever watched a mosh pit? Believe it or not theres an etiquette to it and they only get so rough. Its just how they blow off steam; Its as simple as that. I dont know about you, but I fear for my vehicle on the street if these kids lose the JT. Let them blow off steam at the JT or possibly find my vehicle and blow off some steam on it you choose. . .

The Jumping Turtle loves PGSORM Vista and I think I can speak for everyone here, PGSORM Vista loves the Turtle. The owner introduced us to Joe Troutman and told Joe to give us a chance in the venue. Thats where it all started. We had to earn our right to be in that venue and we did just that. We had to prove that we could control the students and put on a worthy show. So far it has been a fantastic business relationship and I think we can all see the benefits of playing there. For me, its a wonderful thing to do business with people I like and Id like to continue doing business with Joe Troutman and the Jumping Turtle.

The Jumping Turtle is an extension of what I offer at my school. Its become a part of the experience and Im not going to give it up without a fight.

The PGSORM kids got their start not just at PGSORM, but at the Jumping Turtle. The Axxys and Light Of Doom kids who were on Fox's "The Next Great American Band", they didn't just get their start at EXP Studios, they started at the Turtle. Look at As I Lay Dying, they're local, from Oceanside. They started at the Turtle too! Check out their new DVD that was released a few weeks ago; As I Lay Dying LOVES the Turtle! Look at the fans in the audience during their shows. WHY would you want to take that away?! How could you possibly do that?! You've gotta be pretty heartless to want to destroy the Jumping Turtle. There are so many fans, young and old that depend on the Turtle for their music fulfillment. WHY would you want to destroy that?!

We all love the Jumping Turtle, and ask that you please don't destroy our home. Please allow the Jumping Turtle to continue conducting business the same as it has for the past 6 years; all ages, live music performances 7 nights a week with promoter / talent buyer Joe Troutman, no restrictions. These are the rules that we are used to. These are the rules we grew up with. The Jumping Turtle is our home. It's where many of us grew up. It's where we met our spouses, celebrated our weddings, anniversaries, birthdays, the upcoming birth of our children, our promotions, as well as various achievements and accomplishments over the years. It's where our love for music was encouraged, and expanded, its where our children have grown up and gotten into the music scene. It's where families, friends, schoolmates, co-workers, and fans of all ages come together with one common passion; a love for music. Its where our friendships were born, and where our rockstar dreams come to life. The Jumping Turtle isn't just where current stars shine, but also where stars are born. Destroying the Jumping Turtle, is destroying a piece of each and every one of us. It's an enormous loss to our community and a total destruction to the music scene her in San Diego, as well as the world.

1819 Signatures

  • Joe Troutman Presents
    • Name
    • Joe
    • Age
    • 30
    • City / State
    • Escondido, CA
    • Comments
    • The Jumping Turtle is my home, please DON'T destroy it!
  • Kaos Booking
    • Name
    • Kimberly
    • Age
    • 26
    • City / State
    • Escondido, CA
    • Comments
    • The city of San Marcos is being cruely unfair! Save the Turtle!
  • Sean Young
    • Name
    • Sean Young
    • Age
    • 21
    • City / State
    • San Marcos CA
  • ryan nazarian
    • Name
    • ryan nazarian
    • Age
    • 28
    • City / State
    • Lake elsinore/Ca
  • James Jungman
    • Name
    • James Jungman
    • Age
    • 20
    • City / State
    • Escondido, CA
  • Chris Erikson
    • Name
    • Chris Erikson
    • Age
    • 28
    • City / State
    • Escondido, Ca
  • Josh Mogavero
    • Name
    • Josh Mogavero
    • Age
    • 21
    • City / State
    • Murrieta California
    • Comments
    • The turtle is one of the only good all age venues left! dont take it away!!!!!
  • Emily DeLapp
    • Name
    • Emily DeLapp
    • Age
    • 24
    • City / State
    • Riverside, CA
  • Tyler Sturgill
    • Name
    • Tyler Sturgill
    • Age
    • 20
    • City / State
    • San Diego, CA
    • Comments
    • Please don't stop the music scene.
  • Jon Sesma
    • Name
    • Jon Sesma
    • Age
    • 18
    • City / State
    • Escondido / California
  • Bryan Parks
    • Name
    • Bryan Parks
    • Age
    • 15
    • City / State
    • CA
    • Comments
    • The Jumping Turtle is the only place i can go to see a concert, please San Marcos this is a VERY important place for youths. it gives us a place to play music for others and for us to enjoy it. its not a bad bar, and is well run
  • Carlos Huerta
    • Name
    • Carlos Huerta
    • Age
    • 22
    • City / State
    • San Diego, Ca
  • Ty Slaieh
    • Name
    • Ty Slaieh
    • Age
    • 18
    • City / State
    • Temecula, CA
    • Comments
    • Save the turtle. It's a great venue.
  • Kiera
    • Name
    • Holt
    • Age
    • 18
    • City / State
    • Fallbrook California
  • Laura Tardio
    • Name
    • Laura Tardio
    • Age
    • 23
    • City / State
    • Escondido, CA
  • Ally D'Orazio
    • Name
    • Ally D'Orazio
    • Age
    • 17
    • City / State
    • San Marcos, CA
    • Comments
    • DO NOT take this venue away from the San Diego music scene. It has become a second home for so many bands and fans of music. Underage kids don't go there to try and snag beers, they go there for the music.
  • Chelsea
    • Name
    • Matlack
    • Age
    • 16
    • City / State
    • Bonita, California
    • Comments
    • The JT is one of the only venues I know of locally that puts on good metal shows. The prices are affordable for the shows that are put on. The atmosphere is great and people are more than friendly. Joe Troutman does an amazing job in running the place and works hard to make everyone happy, bands and fans alike. He follows all rules and laws and I have never once seen a person underage served a drink. The fans at the Turtle respect all rules and laws. Also, it is one of the only small venues that allows local bands to have an opportunity to play. Joe is kind enough to set up very many aspiring musicians, an opportunity that is limited in most places. If the Turtle was to be strictly 21 and up, the amount of people would cut it in half and the only way the Turtle could possibly make enough money is if there were some hardcore drinkers that came every night. Everything runs smoothly as it is, so why change it, possibly harming the amount of money coming in?
  • Brian
    • Name
    • H.
    • Age
    • 18
    • City / State
    • Riverside, CA
  • Nu Htoo
    • Name
    • Nu Htoo
    • Age
    • 17
    • City / State
    • Escondido California
    • Comments
    • :D we rarely get shows up here please don't take it away from us :[
  • brandon
    • Name
    • brandon
    • Age
    • 17
    • City / State
    • vc ca
  • Tyler Posada
    • Name
    • Tyler Posada
    • Age
    • 16
    • City / State
    • West Covina, CA
    • Comments
    • save the Jumping Turtle!
  • Neil Turbin
    • Name
    • www.DEATHRIDERS.net
    • Age
    • 45
    • City / State
    • Los Angeles, CA
    • Comments
    • The Jumping Turtle is a staple live music venue of the San Marcos community and to deny the Paul Green School of Rock kids that go there to have an opportunity play live music is killing their chance to learn, experience and achieve their goals and killing their dreams. This is also the main live venue for national acts in North County. That would be like telling the House of Blues "you can't play no more blues".
  • Karina
    • Name
    • P.
    • Age
    • 19
    • City / State
    • San Diego
  • Brandon Lobb
    • Name
    • Brandon Lobb
    • Age
    • 19
    • City / State
    • san diego ca
  • Jaclyn Moe
    • Name
    • Jaclyn Moe
    • Age
    • 23
    • City / State
    • Corona, CA
  • Richard Sanders
    • Name
    • Richard Sanders
    • Age
    • 22
    • City / State
    • El Cajon, CA
  • ryan
    • Name
    • ryan copeland
    • Age
    • 25
    • City / State
    • ca san marcos
  • Casey Mckee
    • Name
    • Casey Mckee
    • Age
    • 22
    • City / State
    • Fallbrook CA
    • Comments
    • I've been wanting to bring my little brother to the next powerman 5000 show, he loves them and this would squash his hopes
  • Jim McQueen
    • Name
    • ICE
    • Age
    • 25
    • City / State
    • San Diego
    • Comments
    • If it generates profits and is popular, why hurt the economy over some stupid childish crap just because of the way some people act at the show?
  • Shayna Voorhees
    • Name
    • Shayna Voorhees
    • Age
    • 20
    • City / State
    • National City, CA
  • Cameron
    • Name
    • Kline
    • Age
    • 23
    • City / State
    • Vista
  • Antonio 'Alex'
    • Name
    • Tombstoners
    • Age
    • 19
    • City / State
    • Mexicali/La Jolla
    • Comments
    • up the goat punx!
  • John Kevill
    • Name
    • John Kevill
    • Age
    • 22
    • City / State
    • Moorpark, CA
    • Comments
    • We have played there 8 times, and a 9th on the way
  • Karen Steines
    • Name
    • Karen Steines
    • Age
    • 40
    • City / State
    • Murrieta
    • Comments
    • this is such an awesome venue! It's way better to have "kids" here having fun listening to music they love, instead of running around on the streets causing trouble
  • Krissy Hardie
    • Name
    • Krissy Hardie
    • Age
    • 18
    • City / State
    • Escondido CA
  • Gary Jackson
    • Name
    • Gary
    • Age
    • 23
    • City / State
    • san diego
    • Comments
    • one of the best venues in so cal
  • Edward Svergensberg
    • Name
    • Edward Svergensberg
    • Age
    • 20
    • City / State
    • California
  • Cathrine Strausbaugh
    • Name
    • Cat
    • Age
    • 35
    • City / State
    • El Cajon, Ca.
    • Comments
    • It's importmant to have places for people under 21 to hear and see live miusic too, it's already hard for young people to find ways to entertain themselves withiut getting into trouble. Give them a place to go!
  • Ashley Mettler
    • Name
    • Ashley Mettler
    • Age
    • 21
    • City / State
    • Oceanside/ CA
  • Matthew S Kobus
    • Name
    • Matthew S Kobus
    • Age
    • 23
    • City / State
    • Riverside, Ca
    • Comments
    • In this economy, putting more restrictions on people making a living is preposterous
  • yazmin
    • Name
    • yazmin
    • Age
    • 16
    • City / State
    • bonita
  • Brittney Wilcox
    • Name
    • Brittney
    • Age
    • 21
    • City / State
    • san juan capistrano
  • Jeff Walker
    • Name
    • Jeff Walker
    • Age
    • 20
    • City / State
    • San Diego, CA
    • Comments
    • there aren't many of these places left, keep it open to all ages
  • Samuel Juarez
    • Name
    • Sam
    • Age
    • 26
    • City / State
    • Los Angeles, CA
    • Comments
    • love the jumping turtle, the music community needs this venue.
  • Syd
    • Name
    • Syd
    • Age
    • 14
    • City / State
    • Sandiego CA
  • Donald
    • Name
    • Morley
    • Age
    • 19
    • City / State
    • riverside CA
  • B.T. Ewing
    • Name
    • B.T. Ewing
    • Age
    • 14
    • City / State
    • Vista,CA
    • Comments
    • SAVE THE TURTLE!!!
  • Paul Ryan
    • Name
    • Paul Ryan
    • Age
    • 37
    • City / State
    • San Francisco, Ca
    • Comments
    • Give the kids something to do
  • Kelly Godfrey
    • Name
    • Kelly Godfrey
    • Age
    • 17
    • City / State
    • San Marcos, Ca
  • Israel Pelayo
    • Name
    • Israel Pelayo
    • Age
    • 30
    • City / State
    • San Diego, Ca